August 1995

I was just alerted to the fact that you have a mailing list for USR TC products. I was just in the process of setting one up here. Alas, it was not an official support offering, but intended for users to share information with one another. Right now, I have about 8 users or so on my list. I would like to have them subscribe to your list if you don't mind. Also, I'd like to publish a note about your list in our quarterly newsletter. I wanted to pass this by you in advance because they list may grow significantly from its present size. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks, John USR Applications Engineering From POP3server Sat Aug 4 14:35:57 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <jlacour@usr.com> Received: from usr.com by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id KAA04364; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:37:10 -0400 Received: from robogate.usr.com ([149.112.2.203]) by usr.com (4.1/3.1.090690-US Robotics ) id AA09634; Fri, 4 Aug 95 09:28:45 CDT Received: from cc:Mail by robogate.usr.com id AA807554249; Fri, 04 Aug 95 09:29:07 CST

Can you add the following to the list: dleach@micron.net total-control@xs4all.nl rsanders@mindspring.com rykowski@nwu.edu kemper@bihs.net roblee@cix.compulink.co.uk sb@compulink.co.uk I'm not very familiar with the listserv soft, so if this is a problem let me know and I'll ask these folks to resubscribe. Thanks, John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: Ray Kopp <rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu> at Internet No problem at all, the more the merrier and probably the better information. You're sure you would rather have it here though than at USR? We still don't have very many subscribers either, probably about 6 to 8 I believe. At this stage it would probably be easy to change to either one. Plus if we were ever to move to another platform I couldn't guarantee this one staying open. (That would be purchasings choice to change platform of course!! ;) Thanks, Ray Kopp CMS, Network Systems rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu 217 Machinery Hall (315)443-5776 On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, John LaCour wrote: > I was just alerted to the fact that you have a mailing list for USR TC products. > > I was just in the process of setting one up here. Alas, it was not an official > support offering, but intended for users to share information with one another. > > Right now, I have about 8 users or so on my list. I would like to have them > subscribe to your list if you don't mind. Also, I'd like to publish a note > about your list in our quarterly newsletter. > > I wanted to pass this by you in advance because they list may grow significantly > from its present size. > > Let me know your thoughts. > > Thanks, > John > USR Applications Engineering > > From POP3server Tue Aug 7 12:55:21 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <owner-usrtc@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Received: from listserv.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id PAA04850; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 15:29:15 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA06097; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 15:29:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199508061929.PAA06097@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: Butch Kemper <kemper@BIHS.NET> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

dleach@micron.net David Leach rykowski@nwu.edu Mike Rykowski Those are the only ones I have. -John ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: Ray Kopp <rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu> at Internet I've attempted to add all the names you gave me. Listserv used to ask for real names also but I'll see if it will just take them. If you can provide them that would be fine too. Thanks, Ray Kopp Syracuse University CMS, Network Systems rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu OWNER: USRTC@listserv.syr.edu (US Robotics Total Control Product) From POP3server Tue Aug 7 20:56:52 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Received: from listserv.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id QAA07327; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 16:46:49 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11269 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 16:46:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199508072046.QAA11269@listserv.syr.edu>

I have a rack of USR TC modems, most are 28.8 but some are 14.4 and I have a problem with disconnects. Some particulars: 1. I dial into the 28.8 with a Mac Express Modem which operates at 14.4 and I experience random disconnects. Sometimes it is immediately after the modems finish negoiations and other times it can be after 30-60 minutes of usage. I hear the telephone click when the modem hangs up and then in 10 seconds, MacPPP tells me that there is an echo failure. 2. Using the same Mac, I dial into a 14.4 and the connection is rock solid. No random disconnects. 3. I have increased s10 to 100 and set &do, although the Express Modem manual says that option doesn't do anything because there is no DTR line to ignore. 4. The ROM code in the 28.8's is 1.0.5 with one at 1.0.3. I know the problem occurs with the 1.0.5 and mayben with the 1.0.3 but I can't be sure. 5. Not all of my customers seem to be having the problem. For sure, I know of two Mac users who do. One uses an external modem and the the other uses a Geoport. I am at a loss for additional things to try. Does anyone have some suggestions. Thanks. Butch Butch Kemper | Free sound advice available Brazos Information Highway Services | "95% sound and 5% advice" 409-693-9336 | Refunds cheerfully provided From POP3server Tue Aug 7 12:55:21 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <owner-usrtc@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Received: from listserv.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id QAA07705; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 16:01:29 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA07943; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 16:01:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199508062001.QAA07943@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: Butch Kemper <kemper@BIHS.NET> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

At 14:39 8/6/95, John A. LaCour III wrote: * > I have a rack of USR TC modems, most are 28.8 but some are 14.4 and I have * > a problem with disconnects. Some particulars: * * Are they Quad or Dual V.34s? They are Dual V.34s * * > 4. The ROM code in the 28.8's is 1.0.5 with one at 1.0.3. I know the * > problem occurs with the 1.0.5 and mayben with the 1.0.3 but I can't * * The latest Quad V.34 code is v.1.3.12 which is available as: * * ftp://elroy.usr.com/pub/totalcontrol/qf010312.exe. * * I don't recall the current release of the Dual code, but there is Dual V.34 * code dated 7/20/95 which is currently in beta. How do I find out about this beta or participate in it? * * Do the users modems give them a disconnect reason? USR modems will give * this on the ATI6. This is extremely helpful in fixing these types of * problems. If you can send that to your rack modem from the term server * or whatever, that would be helpful too. I operate the Rack modems in dumb mode to keep them from going into a dialog loop with the terminal server. Also, I don't think it is possible to have the term server get the disconnect reason and store it for presentation later. * * If you're using the TC Windows/SNMP software, you can click on a modem * go into session monitor and poll the modem for a disconnect reason. I just have the TC Rack without the management software. * * -John Butch Kemper | Free sound advice available Brazos Information Highway Services | "95% sound and 5% advice" 409-693-9336 | Refunds cheerfully provided From POP3server Tue Aug 7 14:55:43 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <kemper@bihs.net> Received: from brazos.bihs.net by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id KAA13483; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 10:55:25 -0400 Received: from DialupEudora (xyplex-1.bihs.net [204.96.15.17]) by brazos.bihs.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA10625 for <rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu>; Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:51:29 -0500 X-Sender: kemper@mail.bihs.net Message-Id: <v02120d00ac4bd7b176d0@[204.96.15.40]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Thanks for your thoughts, but: At 8:10 8/7/95, Ray Kopp wrote: * The usual problems I find here with disconnects is one of a few problems. * * 1. Message Waiting is left on. Sometimes the codes they give you to * disable it don't work. Particularly if you got the code from someone * not working at the Phone Company or someone there who is not really * too sure how it's done. A key to this often is if they ask for your * exchange, the first 3 numbers of your phone number. Mssage Waiting is not installed on this phone. See #2 below. * * 2. Flow control mismatch between a persons modem and their software * settings. This is not a problem because the modem works great when dialed into a 14.4 modem. * * 3. Parity mismatch. See #2. * * Then sometimes there is no explanation. Ah! There is always an explanation, just sometimes hard to find. * * Other things you can try to test is for static on your home line. * Interference from appliences near your modem or phone line. TVs * Refridgerators and AC units as well as microwaves can all raise havoc * with modems and modem connections. * * If you have static on your line it may be a bad ground in your house. See #2 above. * * I'm sure you've probably thought of all of these but I thought I'd * pass them on just in case. * * Thanks, * Ray Kopp * Syracuse, New York * Internet:rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu I will jus keep plodding along searching until I find something to tweak that will fix the problem. Again, thanks for your thoughts. Butch Butch Kemper | Free sound advice available Brazos Information Highway Services | "95% sound and 5% advice" 409-693-9336 | Refunds cheerfully provided From POP3server Sat Aug 4 18:36:34 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <jlacour@usr.com> Received: from usr.com by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id OAA06154; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:34:59 -0400 Received: from robogate.usr.com ([149.112.2.203]) by usr.com (4.1/3.1.090690-US Robotics ) id AA11418; Fri, 4 Aug 95 13:26:33 CDT Received: from cc:Mail by robogate.usr.com id AA807568554; Fri, 04 Aug 95 13:11:33 CST

* * US Robotics Total Control Product * * Review= Public Subscription= Open Send= Public * Notify= Yes Reply-to= Sender,Respect Files= No * Validate= Yes, Confirm * Confidential= No Ack= No * Default-Options= ShortBSMTP * Digest= Yes,Same,Daily * X-tags= Yes Errors-To= Owner * Service=* * * Owner= rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu (Ray Kopp) * * kemper@BIHS.NET Butch Kemper Paul_Rondina@BROWN.EDU Paul Rondina norton@CCMAILPC.CTRON.COM Dave Norton Carsten.Schippang@FERNUNI-HAGEN.DE Carsten Schippang PMGRIEGG@GROVE.IUP.EDU Paul Grieggs rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU Ray Kopp jal@MCS.COM John A. LaCour III atio@MED.UCALGARY.CA Abraham Tio dleach@MICRON.NET David Leach holger@MMS.MMS-GMBH.DE Holger Koepke rykowski@NWU.EDU Mike Rykowski ksteiner@PING.CH Kurt Steiner max.viel@PLANET.IT Massimiliano Viel jose.eduardo@TPONE.TELEPAC.PT Jose Eduardo S.B. Granado * * Total number of "concealed" subscribers: 1 * Total number of users subscribed to the list: 14 (non-"concealed" only) * Total number of local node users on the list: 0 (non-"concealed" only) * From POP3server Tue Aug 21 13:32:17 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <owner-usrtc@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Received: from listserv.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id RAA21886; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:30:35 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA20682; Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:30:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199508152130.RAA20682@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: John LaCour <jlacour@USR.COM> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

The following is the current list of software/firmware for Total Control products. Not all of these are available on the BBS or FTP site. Some are not flash upgradable as well. Customer Support can provide code which is requires a new ROM chip and flash code which is not currently available on the BBS or FTP site. They're phone number is +1 800 231 8770. Best Regards, John MODEM POOL DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM MODEM POOL V.34 1.0.3 7/7/95 MODEM POOL V.34 1.0.1 12/21/94 7640 QUAD MODEMS DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM Quad V.34 Analog / Digital 1.3.12 02/11/95 31EB Quad V.34 Analog / Digital 1.0.3 11/02/94 Quad V.34 Analog / Digital 1.0.1 9/21/94 Quad Terbo A/D Packet Bus 1.1.0 7/29/94 Quad V.32bis (digital only) 1.3.0 7/15/94 INTERNATIONAL QUAD MODEMS DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM France Quad V.34 1.2.3 6/9/95 1904 UK Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Japan Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Finland Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Sweden Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Norway Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Netherlands Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Denmark Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Austria Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Germany Quad V.34 1.2.4 6/2/95 A6AF Swiss Quad V.34 1.2.5 6/2/95 1F0B U.K Quad V.34 Analog only 1.2.1 03/10/95 FD97 Germany Quad V.34 Analog only 1.2.1 03/10/95 FD97 Norway Quad V.34 Analog only 1.2.1 03/10/95 FD97 Sweden Quad V.34 Analog only 1.2.1 03/10/95 FD97 DUAL MODEMS DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM Rack Dual V.34 1.3.0 7/20/95 C832 Rack Dual V.34 1.0.5 3/15/95 DB81 Rack Dual V.34 1.0.2 10/21/94 6C1B Rack Dual V.34 1.0.1 9/21/94 A409 Rack Dual Terbo 6.2 8/4/94 166A Rack Dual V.32bis 4.9 3/3/94 8383 INTERNATIONAL DUAL MODEMS DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM South Africa Rack Dual V.34 1.0.3 11/03/94 DAE9 U.K Rack Dual V.34 1.0.3 11/03/94 DAE9 Germany Rack Dual 1.0.3 11/29/94 BC45 MANAGEMENT DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM TCM 2.2.1 12/15/94 NMC 2.2.1 12/6/94 TCM 2.0.2 10/19/94 NMC 2.0.3 10/13/94 TCM (Without Security) 2.0.1 9/21/94 NMC(Without Security) 2.0.1 9/23/94 TCM 1.1.0 7/12/94 NMC 1.1.6 8/11/94 NMC 1.1.5 7/19/94 NMC 1.1.4 7/11/94 T1'S DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM Dual T1 3.0.4 4/13/95 Dual T1 3.0.2 12/13/94 Single T1 3.0.2 12/13/94 Dual T1 2.0.0 6/6/94 Single T1 2.0.0 6/6/94 GATEWAYS DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM Netserver 24 Ethernet 3.0.15 3/6/95 BA4F Netserver 48 Ethernet 3.0.11 2/28/95 07B5 Netserver 48 Ethernet 3.0.0 11/09/94 X.25 Gateway 1.0.0 6/28/94 LAN DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM Netserver 8/16 V.34 MP 3.0.9 7/10/95 Netserver Manager 3.0.1 7/14/95 Netserver Manager 3.0.0 3/9/95 B681 Netserver Manager 1.0.0 11/10/94 Fax Server Ethernet 2.0.0 3/7/95 A600 Fax Server Token Ring 2.0.0 3/7/95 A600 TC DOS DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM HCU / RCU 3.4 8/29/94 TC / IPC 3.4 9/23/94 GENERIC DESCRIPTION VERSION DATE OF CHECKSUM PCSDL 2.2.0 02/29/95 2CBB From POP3server Tue Aug 21 13:32:33 GMT 1995 Return-Path: <owner-usrtc@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Received: from listserv.syr.edu by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/SUM-V8-1.0) id PAA16003; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:07:58 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA03369; Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:07:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199508181907.PAA03369@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: John LaCour <jlacour@USR.COM> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

Is anyone using HP OpenView or Sun Net Manager to manage their TC Rack? Or is there any one interested in doing so? -John From POP3server Thu Aug 23 16:11:53 GMT 1995 Return-Path: owner-USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Received: from listserv.syr.edu (root@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA11715 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:09:04 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA05003 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:08:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199508230408.AAA05003@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

There is one message totalling 17 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. HPOV or SNM snmp managers?

On Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:32:04 CST, John LaCour <jlacour@USR.COM> said: > Is anyone using HP OpenView or Sun Net Manager to manage their TC Rack? Or is > there any one interested in doing so? We're looking into using Sun Net Manager or Cabletron's Spectrum to manage our TCs. At the moment though, we're using the USR/Novell software. -- Robert End of USRTC Digest - 18 Aug 1995 to 22 Aug 1995 ************************************************ From POP3server Sat Aug 25 04:07:46 GMT 1995 Return-Path: owner-USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Received: from listserv.syr.edu (root@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA11508 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 00:01:41 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA13352 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Fri, 25 Aug 1995 00:01:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199508250401.AAA13352@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

> > Would any USR Total Control User tell me how to configurate the idle > signal of the Total Control Dual T1 Card? The default signal is 11 but > the Telco default is 01 which is not matched. Or do we need to send it > back to USR for the configuration? Its not possible to change the idle pattern the T1 card sends back to telco. Does the switch being used not allow an all ones pattern for idle? > Francis Fong / Synergy HK Regards, John End of USRTC Digest - 23 Aug 1995 to 24 Aug 1995 ************************************************ From POP3server Fri Aug 31 04:05:50 GMT 1995 Return-Path: owner-USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Received: from listserv.syr.edu (root@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA06155 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:05:01 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA19955 for <rjkopp@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU>; Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:04:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199508310404.AAA19955@listserv.syr.edu> Reply-To: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> Sender: US Robotics Total Control Product <USRTC@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>

There are 2 messages totalling 64 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. SNMP management issues 2. Configuration of T1 Card

I've been looking at the SNMP management tool. We currently use the DOS based management. Since I do not have direct control over this evaluation unit I can't really attempt to manage it, but I need to know some things about it. We are anticipating moving to SNMP management but my review of the product is long overdue. We most likely would be using quad or dual V.34 modems with the cisco 2511 communications servers. Issues: The old DOS system had many capabilities such that if a modem did not answer after x number of rings you could put it through a self test and either busy it out or put it back in service. You could also do this on any other modem failure. Does the SNMP management now have this capability. (This is hands off reaction, not notify someone so they can go and physically busy it out) The old system also had some histories/logs. One particular one we want is the one that tell the last valid speed of the modem before disconnect. What I need to know is does this capability exist in the SNMP package and a little description of how this type of logging/history is created and stored for later use. Lastly what basic complaints do you have with it. Also please indicate what you run it on, machine type size, memory etc. Thanks, Ray Kopp CMS, Network Systems rjkopp@mailbox.syr.edu 217 Machinery Hall (315)443-5776

There is one message totalling 28 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. USR Dual T1 Card incompatibility with HK TELCO

We are having a problem connecting the USRobotics Total Control Dual T1 Card to the local phone company. Loop start is being used. 1. The idle signal A,B for the T1 Card is 0,1 while the local phone company is 1,1 2. The local phone company use the A,B signal at the same time i.e. either 1,1 or 0,0 There seems to be no way the local phone company will change their signaling pattern, we wonder whether there are anyone out there who had encounter this kind of problem. Could a flash ROM reprogramming solves this problem? Charles Lau Synergy C & C Ltd [E-mail] charlesl@hk.super.net [ URL] http://www.hk.super.net/~synergy End of USRTC Digest - 25 Aug 1995 to 30 Aug 1995 ************************************************ From POP3server Tue Oct 9 21:02:14 GMT 1995 Return-Path: listmgr@MAILBOX.SYR.EDU Received: from listserv.syr.edu (root@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by mailbox.syr.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA22184; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:30:19 -0400 Received: from listserv.syr.edu (listserv@listserv.syr.edu [128.230.1.252]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id QAA18035; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsender.syr.edu (root@mailsender.syr.edu [128.230.1.8]) by listserv.syr.edu (8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17994 for <all-request@listserv.syr.edu>; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gamera.syr.edu (listmgr@gamera.syr.edu [128.230.1.14]) by mailsender.syr.edu (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id QAA10790; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gamera.syr.edu (5.x/Spike-2.0) id AA09900; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:21:20 -0400